Curse

Delehov89 · Jul 19, 2009, 02:07 AM // 02:07

My main character is a Derv and i have beaten NF and Prophecies and have started going through Factions and i have just gotten to the PvP areas and i have come to a realization. While Dervs are great for PvE, runs and some very limited farming, they lack heavily in the PvP department. I mean there are a few builds to use that focus on scythe mastery but they are very easily dispatched by most spikes and the builds that use mystic sandstorm to spike can get taken down by any spell caster or some enchant removal. I guess what im trying to get at here is is there anybody who has some good suggestions for me to use in PvP so I can really become a player who can contribute to the team.

IronSheik · Jul 19, 2009, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Run a different character.

Run RoJ in JQ.

Ben-A-BoO · Jul 19, 2009, 09:02 AM // 09:02

What IronSheik suggested (don't bother with JQ).

While circling through my characters for the different zcombat quest I found the Dervish by far the weakest (useless primary, no disruption/ KD, cast-time/ after-cast on enchants) and least versatile (only few viable skill options). They can look cool but that's about it.

You'll find some gimmicky builds for low tier pvp like Ebon Dust spear chuckers, Mysticism Power Healers or Grenth's Grasp Archers but well yeah that's Arena's and AB.

And changing toons might not be a bad thing ... you can learn much more playing different professions, which can be good fun too. However if you enjoy the dervish in particular, go ahead and explore how good you can get at it. No one will stop you from having fun. Effectiveness is another story though.

Lux Aeterna · Jul 19, 2009, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Dervishes actually can put out some pressure, with their ability to consistently hit 50-100 on soft targets (just plz don't attack through protective spirit).

Most pvp dervish builds don't rely heavily on enchantments, and the energy management is actually semi decent due to this and use of signets. Lack of KDs can be made up for by taking Bull's Strike (takes skill), and WS is actually a functioning pvp elite.

Try the Wounding Strike build on pvxwiki, try Onslaught because both are fairly workable. Conjures might work well also, but they take your secondary.

If you play AB you probably won't have difficulting finding a party, just remember to get a working build + rune setup then find a monk.

Brummie · Jul 19, 2009, 11:01 AM // 11:01

www.pvxwiki.com - All the builds you will ever need

Dervishes aren't that good in PvP because other professions can easily be better at their role e.g. A warrior is better at melee than a dervish, A mesmer can strip your enchantments easily where as they can't remove stances with a warrior. I guess you could play wounding strike on your dervish or ebon spear chucker but the builds are limited.

Catchphrase · Jul 19, 2009, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Dervish are better off when not playing as melee from my personal experience. If you do want to play the way dervish should, go as D/A for some utility to hex kiting targets and some stances to help you weather through some unexpected spike.

Delehov89 · Jul 19, 2009, 03:40 PM // 15:40

I have tried the WS build from PvX and it works alright. I think im going to try to modify it with some assassin skills but it works okay.

Drizzitdude · Jul 19, 2009, 06:21 PM // 18:21

I do PvP all the time as a derv. I have a decent amount of energy and I keep the regenerative skills with me at all times. (Mystic regen, faithful intervention and mystic vigor). Put those with the dervishes awesome IAS (Heart of fury) and add a little bit of wounding strike and a dash of victorious sweep paired with Wild blow (for those pesky blockers) and you have a fine delicious bowl of woop ass soup. Of course You dont stand much of a chance against a good sin or if a blinding mesmer (censored) but most everything else gets sliced like butter.

PS if you are having too much PvP trouble try messing around in RA for a bit or a get a good team of people you know.

EDIT: BTW this IS my RA build. I no longer play TA (actually i rarely play guild wars anymore)

IronSheik · Jul 19, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Drizzitdude

I keep the regenerative skills with me at all times. (Mystic regen, faithful intervention and mystic vigor). Put those with the dervishes awesome IAS (Heart of fury) and add a little bit of wounding strike and a dash of victorious sweep paired with Wild blow (for those pesky blockers)

So...you have 3 skills dedicated to keeping yourself alive as a frontliner?
And assuming you're carrying a res signet that's 3 skills left with no IMS.
Dervishes should be dealing damage, not keeping themselves alive, dps on this build is horrible.

Drizzitdude · Jul 19, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

So...you have 3 skills dedicated to keeping yourself alive as a frontliner?
And assuming you're carrying a res signet that's 3 skills left with no IMS.
Dervishes should be dealing damage, not keeping themselves alive, dps on this build is horrible.

this is actually my RA build (sorry should have made that more clear) (TA is no fun anymore) so it there to be optimal in a situation where you dont have any monks on your team.

1: Faithful intervention (its a beast skill and a perm enchant till your hp drops)
2: Heart of Fury (IAS)
3: Mystic Vigor (Hp everytime you hit

)
4: Mystic Regen (+9 health regen total)
5: Wounding strike (because its beast)
6: Wild Blow (Pesky blockers)
7: Victorious Sweep (more health and damage

)
8: Rez signet (Duh)

Your right about the IMS though I just cant find anything I would take out for it.

Delehov89 · Jul 19, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Thanks for the tips Drizz, and dont mind IronShiek he told me that i should give up on my derv so...he is not really here to help, no offense to Iron

IronSheik · Jul 19, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

I am here to help, you have to realize derv isn't superior to other melees in Pvp, I have a derv main, so I can tell if they're useful or not. A warrior is superior to them in almost everyway. And even in RA, you're spending half your bar to keep yourself alive which a warrior does with his armor alone.

In PvE yes, dervs can output great damage, but that's PvE skills, not Pvp. A derv's main IAS is an enchant that can't be upkept normally, they have extremely limited IMS. They're beaten with their main weapon by a sin AND a warrior, they just aren't good in Pvp.

Delehov89 · Jul 19, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

I am here to help, you have to realize derv isn't superior to other melees in Pvp, I have a derv main, so I can tell if they're useful or not. A warrior is superior to them in almost everyway. And even in RA, you're spending half your bar to keep yourself alive which a warrior does with his armor alone.

In PvE yes, dervs can output great damage, but that's PvE skills, not Pvp. A derv's main IAS is an enchant that can't be upkept normally, they have extremely limited IMS. They're beaten with their main weapon by a sin AND a warrior, they just aren't good in Pvp.

If you really were here to help you would be giving my suggestions on skills or possible roles to play as a Derv in PvP, not simply telling me to switch toons so i can PvP

IronSheik · Jul 19, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

First, you have to realize a large percentile of PvE toons aren't readily equipped for PvP, which is the first reason not to take your derv in, because I highest doubt it's readily runed with all correct weapon sets, you'll want to roll a pvp slot to a better melee.

Second, my point again, dervs aren't the superior melee's in Pvp, and they can't do much else besides Competitive missions and arenas, such as Imbue healer or RoJ in Hero Battles.

I'm helping you be better by not playing derv in PvP. I'd love to play my favorite class in Pvp, but it doesn't do as good as you'd like, get over it.

The Daft · Jul 21, 2009, 01:56 AM // 01:56

Have you tried using any sort of anti-caster build? I've done that for PvP using VoS, and it seems to be fairly effective.

Delehov89 · Jul 21, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by The Daft

Have you tried using any sort of anti-caster build? I've done that for PvP using VoS, and it seems to be fairly effective.

As in killing casters? I did not even think about that...maybe what other skills besides VoS?

The Daft · Jul 21, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Delehov89

As in killing casters? I did not even think about that...maybe what other skills besides VoS?

Yeha, Thats what I meant... killing off casters. Perhaps instead of using VoS, shadow form if you are a secondary sin... other than that, I can't think of any skills.

Tender Care · Jul 29, 2009, 10:05 AM // 10:05

Whenever i see dervs in pvp using Vow of Silence i always get them and kill cos they cannot heal

It's a good skill, but as said: if u use VoS u will get a warrior or sin or else that will kill u fastly and ur monk can't heal u :lol: